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Katie: Hi there and welcome to The Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com, and this episode is all about metabolic dysfunction as the root reason behind almost all illnesses and classes from the largest glucose information set in the world. And I’m again with return visitor Dr. Casey Means, who’s a Stanford-trained doctor and the CMO and Co-Founding father of the metabolic well being firm referred to as Ranges. Her mission is to maximise human potential and reverse the epidemic of preventable continual illness by empowering people with tech-enabled instruments that may inform good, personalised, and sustainable dietary and life-style decisions. Her perspective has been featured in every part from Wall Road Journal to the New York Occasions and a lot, way more.

And we get to go deep on this subject as we speak. She actually explains tremendous comprehensively what metabolic dysfunction is and the markers that go into that. The 5 simplest and least costly checks you may get to get a great image of what’s happening metabolically in your physique, how glucose is an effective metric right here as effectively, and the way to use it to your benefit, and a lot extra. We discuss very actionable takeaways that everybody can do even with out the information to start out bettering metabolic well being, in addition to what to do if you’ll be able to get extra personalised information by yourself physicality and what’s happening and the way to use that to your benefit. She is so well-spoken and such a wealth of data. And like I mentioned, we get to go deep on loads of this as we speak. So, with none additional wait, let’s soar in with Dr. Casey Means. Casey, welcome again. Thanks for returning to the podcast.

Casey: I’m so blissful to be right here. Thanks for having me, Katie.

Katie: Effectively, I’ll hyperlink to our first dialog for anybody who hasn’t heard it already, however I do know we bought to go deep on the subject of glucose, particularly in blood glucose, what we will be taught from it. And I’m excited to construct on that dialog with all of the new data accessible. I do know you guys have an amazing dataset that I imagine is the greatest in the world on this subject. And there’s a lot we will use this actionable information to actually influence our lives in a optimistic means. To begin off, I do know that one in all the questions I requested in prep for interviews is in the event you have been going to present a TED Discuss in per week, what would it not be on? And I like your reply since you talked about how underpowered cells, or principally metabolic dysfunction, is commonly the root of almost all illness in the fashionable world. And I do know because of this you’re so captivated with the work that you simply’re doing with Ranges, however I might love to make use of that as a jumping-in level for our dialog as we speak. In the event you might clarify just a little background by what you imply by that, and possibly a few of the elements that come into play with metabolic dysfunction and how that may exhibit in alternative ways in our lives.

Casey: Yeah, completely. So, the message that I actually… My objective in life actually to get throughout to individuals is this concept that so lots of the issues we’re struggling with in our world as we speak, in the fashionable industrial Western world, so lots of the ache factors going through our lives and the signs that we now have that then result in extra severe circumstances down the highway are essentially all linked by the similar physiology, which is this concept of underpowered cells, primarily metabolic dysfunction.

We’ve been listening to much more about this idea of metabolism and metabolic well being, metabolic dysfunction, blood sugar management over the previous few years, and it’s for good cause. And it’s as a result of what we’re actually studying is that the key causes of morbidity and mortality in the United States in adults for positive, however even now extra so in youngsters, is metabolic dysfunction. And so, metabolism is how we convert meals power to mobile power in our our bodies. We have now 37 plus trillion cells in our physique, and all of those trillions of cells each second collectively are doing trillions and trillions of chemical reactions. And principally, our life and our well being is the effervescent up of all of those chemical reactions. And all of them principally need to be paid for. All these chemical reactions need to be paid for with mobile power.

And zooming again to highschool biology, that mobile power is ATP. It’s this molecule that principally is how we pay for all these mobile reactions. And that power, that mobile power, is constructed from meals being transformed to mobile power. And this idea of metabolic dysfunction principally is that we’re having an issue proper now in our our bodies changing that meals power to mobile power, which signifies that we principally have underpowered cells. The explanation that’s the root of so many circumstances that we see as we speak that typically appear completely different, prefer it’s typically, you realize, it’s complicated to be like, effectively, how is Alzheimer’s dementia essentially the similar or much like sort 2 diabetes or infertility or erectile dysfunction or stroke or coronary heart illness or retinopathy or continual kidney illness or continual liver illness or gout or despair or nervousness. Effectively, the actuality is all these circumstances we all know now are both brought on by or accelerated by underpowered cells metabolic dysfunction. So, the cause for that is that we now have over 200 cell varieties in our physique. And what’s fascinating is that every one these cells, after all, got here from one cell, a fertilized embryo, and was 200 completely different cell varieties. And that’s cell varieties in our eyes, cell varieties in our brains, cell varieties in our blood vessels, there’s all these completely different cells, however all of them want power to operate correctly. And so, when you could have a basic drawback occurring throughout the physique, a very core basic physiologic difficulty like metabolic dysfunction, primarily the drawback in changing meals power to mobile power, it could appear to be virtually something relying on what cell sort it’s displaying up in. So, if it’s occurring in a blood vessel, it might appear to be a blood vessel associated difficulty like coronary heart illness or stroke. If it’s occurring in a mind cell, relying on what sort of mind cell that’s, it might appear to be Alzheimer’s dementia, fibromyalgia, despair, nervousness, migraine, all circumstances we all know are linked to metabolic dysfunction. If it’s occurring in ovarian theca cell, it might appear to be polycystic ovarian syndrome, the main reason behind infertility in the United States, which is a metabolic illness. If it’s occurring in a blood vessel of a penis, it might appear to be erectile dysfunction. So principally, it’s a core physiology, a disturbance displaying up in all these completely different cell varieties, trying like all these completely different illnesses. However what we essentially want to understand is that these are branches of the similar trunk. And in drugs in America as we speak, we now have to start out treating the trunk of the tree versus what we’re doing proper now, which is basically taking part in whack-a-mole with all these completely different branches. And we’re probably not getting very far.

And so, we’re dealing with this large difficulty proper now in the United States the place individuals, Individuals, are getting sicker yearly. Persistent illness charges are going up for nearly each main illness yearly. And that is in spite of the incontrovertible fact that we’re spending extra money on healthcare yearly as people and as a rustic. We’re spending over $Four trillion on healthcare yearly. That quantity is astronomical. It’s 20% of the largest GDP in the complete world in human historical past. And as we spend extra, illness charges are going up, and life expectancy goes down. So that’s the definition of it, principally an ineffective method and an unsustainable method. And so, my actual thesis that I really feel that’s actually my goal to share and why it might be my TED Discuss is as a result of I believe the cause we’re seeing these dynamics is as a result of we’re essentially approaching the flawed drawback. We’re essentially approaching every illness as if it’s a separate siloed factor when actually needing to give attention to the root trigger and the factor that connects these illnesses, which is metabolic dysfunction.

And it’s one thing that, up till just lately, we haven’t actually been in a position, we haven’t actually identified it as a result of the science has come a good distance over the previous 50 to 100 years. We used to have the ability to characterize illnesses based mostly on the signs that emerge. And naturally, in the event you’re taking a look at signs as a technique to outline illness, sure, liver illness seems completely different than Alzheimer’s illness, and that appears completely different than gout. So, after all, we deal with it in another way. However now by means of genomics and cell signaling evaluation and proteomics and all these items that we’ve form of, we now are in a position to actually see inside the cell extra on a analysis stage. We now know that there’s really this core physiology that’s resulting in loads of these fashionable illnesses. And we have to principally modernize the means that we deal with based mostly on that understanding. But it surely’s fairly broadly identified that it takes virtually 20 years for analysis understanding to make it into medical observe. And we’re in that messy center proper now the place the science is healthier understood, however we’re not treating that means. We’re nonetheless treating reactively the signs, and that should change. So, sufferers, I believe, want to actually empower themselves to grasp this unifying metabolic principle of illness and work to each perceive and enhance their metabolism in order that they will have their very best well being and thrive.

Katie: Yeah, I agree. It’s so vital. And this alteration that we’re seeing in healthcare and how individuals, such as you talked about, we’re getting sicker annually regardless of placing extra money assets towards this, regardless of growing consciousness even in some methods about this. And for me, studying the statistic that, for the first time in two centuries, the present technology of kids can have a shorter life expectancy than their dad and mom was so staggering. That was a big a part of why I began with Wellness Mama and why I’ve been in this world for 15 years now could be as a result of that stat to me is unacceptable for our youngsters. And I really feel like the work you guys are doing can also be very impactful in serving to change that statistic, particularly now with, as we talked about in our first episode, there’s higher entry to issues like wearable information, to understanding our glucose, to with the ability to run labs, even when we don’t have a physician who’s completely aligned in our space. There’s a lot entry, but in addition that may turn into overwhelming while you get information however you don’t essentially know the way to make it actionable. So, I like that you simply guys are placing all these items in place to make information actually actionable for individuals. And I’d like to delve into that as a result of I do know you’re additionally now in a position to take a look at biomarkers in a really particular means in methods which are very impactful, particularly when paired with glucose to create measurable modifications in individuals. So, I might love so that you can break down at what you’re discovering on the biomarker stage and what individuals can be taught from that information that they’re in a position to now get individually.

Casey: Completely. So, you realize, our mission at Ranges is to reverse the metabolic illness epidemic. And that’s why we began the firm. Our actual perception is that to reverse this monumental development we’re seeing in metabolic dysfunction, the first step is individuals want to grasp their very own stage of metabolic well being, and then they’ve to grasp the way to enhance it. And sadly, loads of that’s not coming from the medical doctors for the causes we talked about. We’re simply behind. An unbelievable statistic is that, however that has primarily been proven in two unbiased analysis research over the previous 4 years, is that over 90% of American adults now have a minimum of one biomarker of metabolic dysfunction. That was 88% about 5 years in the past. After which, as of analysis from a couple of yr in the past, that’s gone as much as 93.2%. And so, this isn’t a fringe difficulty. That is affecting virtually everybody. What’s so, I believe, vital for each particular person is to determine if they’ve any biomarkers of metabolic dysfunction that they want to pay attention to. And so, what we’re doing at Ranges is aiming to democratize entry to that information as a result of it may be typically really feel like pulling tooth inside the healthcare system to strive and get scraps of knowledge. However my perception is admittedly that everybody strolling round ought to be capable to say with certitude, I’m or I’m not metabolically wholesome, and I do know what I must do in phrases of my food regimen and life-style to work on this and to get this in the proper course.

So, we do that in two methods at Ranges, each of which I believe are actually vital and which I hope the healthcare system will undertake as a part of mainstream. One is blood-based biomarkers. So, these are single time level measurements that get drawn out of your blood that principally let you know a really clear snapshot of a pillar second in time, that is how I’m doing with metabolic well being. After which the second piece of knowledge that we give entry to is steady glucose monitoring. In order that’s a sensor that you simply put on on the again of your arm that tells you really, 24 hours a day, seven days per week, what’s occurring with your blood sugar ranges. And the blood sugar ranges are an awesome real-time biomarker as a result of they’re a readout of how your metabolic well being is, as a result of in case your metabolic well being is dysfunctional, in case your cells are having issue principally with that food-to-cellular power conversion course of, then what’s going to occur is that the cell is basically going to dam glucose from coming into it as a result of it’s primarily overburdened. It will probably’t do this course of effectively of changing meals power like sugar to ATP. So, the cell blocks the entry of glucose, of sugar into the cell. That’s insulin resistance. And blood sugar ranges will rise.

And so, blood sugar is that this wonderful biomarker that may inform us like a readout of whether or not there’s issues with metabolism in the physique. And by monitoring glucose in real-time in this extra steady movie-like means, you can begin to see which meals and which life-style habits are both inflicting large swings and fluctuation in glucose or retaining it extra steady. And in the end, we need to preserve it extra steady and in a low and wholesome vary as a result of that’s an indication that metabolic well being is being supported. And so, combining these pillar blood-based biomarkers to present you a way of that is how I’m doing general in phrases of my studying the tea leaves of metabolic well being with my blood-based biomarkers. After which a real-time software like a glucose monitor that’s providing you with real-time biofeedback on particular person decision-making to maneuver in the proper course. These two collectively, I believe, are primarily transformational in each figuring out the place you stand and figuring out the way to enhance.

So, in phrases of blood-based biomarkers, there’s a number of completely different checks that can provide you want a clue of metabolic well being. The best way I have a look at it’s that there’s most likely like eight to 12 checks that collectively a very seasoned metabolic health-focused physician might have a look at all of them in mixture and once more, like learn the tea leaves and form of, so I’d say like that record could be fasting glucose, hemoglobin A1C, fasting insulin, triglycerides, HDL ldl cholesterol, uric acid, ApoB, hs-CRP, an inflammatory marker, and actually liver operate checks. So, like AST and ALT. And there’s one other check I actually like referred to as GGT, which is a liver operate check that truly tells you about oxidative stress. So, in the event you can provide me, like, and then having blood stress, not a blood check, however blood stress and waist circumference as effectively, these can provide you one other sense. However these 10 checks or so collectively, if in case you have all of them and can have a look at all of them collectively, you’ll be able to just about say whether or not somebody’s bought an issue with metabolism or not. What we did at Ranges is we took 5 of these checks, which is insulin, ApoB, triglycerides, uric acid, and hemoglobin A1C, and we labored with our medical advisory board to say like, okay, with these 5 checks, you may get a very clear sign of like, whether or not there’s issues with metabolism. And I’m blissful to speak by means of the checks like briefly individually if that might be useful.

Katie: Yeah, let’s do this briefly as a result of I might guess most individuals have heard of these checks, or a minimum of most of them. However I believe the relevance to metabolic well being is admittedly vital to spotlight. And a few of them will not be frequent on loads of simply panels that somebody maybe has had run earlier than by a physician.

Casey: Yeah, yeah. So, I’ll begin with fasting insulin. So fasting insulin, I might say, might be the most vital metabolic well being you may get. If somebody mentioned it’s a must to get one check, I might say it might be fasting insulin. The explanation for that, so insulin is the hormone that’s launched when blood sugar rises. Insulin principally binds to the floor of a cell to the insulin receptor and then permits glucose to enter the cell in order that it may be processed by means of the mitochondria into power. If there’s extra, that glucose will typically be saved as fats. We talked just a little bit about this, however when the cell is overburdened, and the cell has metabolic dysfunction, which usually means the mitochondria is struggling to maintain up with the inflow of glucose and convert it to power, the cell will put a block up referred to as insulin resistance, which primarily blocks that insulin sign from permitting glucose into the cell as a result of the cell is overburdened. The cell can’t course of extra of that glucose, so it blocks it from coming in, and that glucose will then rise in the bloodstream.

So, the cause fasting insulin is such a precious check is as a result of it’s primarily displaying you from a very early stage that the cells are overburdened. There’s most likely mitochondrial dysfunction happening. That metabolic conversion course of isn’t working correctly, and the cell is placing a block as much as glucose getting into. The best way the physique responds in a short time is by releasing extra insulin into the physique to strive and overcome that block. And that appears like rising fasting insulin on a blood check. And the cause I believe that’s really much more precious than testing a fasting glucose stage, the blood sugar, is as a result of the physique really, in releasing that extra insulin to beat insulin resistance, it could really overcompensate for a very long time. And by pumping out a number of extra insulin, it could really drive the cell to push the glucose into the cell, despite the fact that the cell’s principally saying, we don’t need it, we will’t deal with it. And there’s been fascinating analysis displaying that insulin resistance will be brewing in the physique, and fasting insulin will be rising for over 10 years earlier than fasting glucose rises. And in order that’s a time of compensation the place the physique is principally churning out extra of this hormone, forcing the glucose into the cell earlier than you really see a change in the glucose ranges. In order that’s a window the place we might catch early insulin resistance the place the fasting glucose check isn’t going to select it up. Sadly, we don’t check fasting insulin in our standard medical observe. It’s a check it’s a must to actually request specifically or get outdoors the system. And there’s loads of cause for this, however it’s one in all, I believe, the greatest blind spots in drugs proper now. We’ve bought a state of affairs the place 50% of American adults now have pre-diabetes or sort 2 diabetes, that are each circumstances of insulin resistance. And we’re not testing for the earliest marker of insulin resistance. It’s so, so, so unusual. In order that’s one which I might say ask your physician for it or get it by means of a particular lab outdoors the system. It’s crucial.

The vary that, then there’s a second difficulty, which is that even in the event you get the check, loads of the labs will report these ranges which are actually lenient. They usually’ll principally say on a lab slip that something lower than 25 milli use per milliliter is taken into account regular for a fasting insulin. However based mostly on our greatest evaluation of the analysis and coordinating with our wonderful advisory board of metabolic specialists, it really seems {that a} fasting insulin of about two to 6 is perfect. And actually while you begin getting above like six milli use per milliliter, danger begins going up. So first, you bought to get the check, then you definately’ve bought to determine the way to interpret the check in just a little little bit of a tighter vary. However in the event you can see that your fasting insulin is under that six vary, in the two to 6 vary, that’s a very good signal that your cells are metabolically blissful, your physique’s not churning out extra insulin as a consequence of insulin resistance. And it’s only a actually, actually precious sign that your physique is working correctly metabolically. In order that’s fasting insulin.

One other wonderful check that goes hand in hand with that, which is a part of our 5 biomarkers that we’ve chosen as triglycerides. So, triglycerides is a kind of fats in the blood. It’s each a storage type of fats, and it’ll be discovered in the bloodstream that’s created when extra glucose is transformed to fats. So, the physique doesn’t need simply tons and tons of additional glucose floating round. It must put the extra glucose someplace so it may be transformed to triglycerides and saved in fats cells or discovered in circulation. And so, triglycerides is one other signal that there’s some drawback with how the physique is changing meals power to ATP and it’s attempting to place it someplace. So, it places it so in the event you begin seeing an elevated fasting insulin and an elevated triglycerides, you’re beginning to see a sign that the physique’s overwhelmed and it’s not processing this power correctly.

Hemoglobin A1C can also be a very precious check as a result of that is really a snapshot of extra of like a long-term image of how glucose ranges have been. So, hemoglobin A1C is referring to hemoglobin, which is, after all, a part of the crimson blood cell that carries oxygen. How a lot of that molecule in the blood has sugar caught to it principally? So, glycation is the technique of sugar sticking to completely different molecules in the physique. And when concentrations of blood sugar are excessive, they’re going to stay to issues extra. And we don’t need sugar to stay to issues in the physique. It principally creates like rusting of the physique. And so, hemoglobin A1C is basically a share of hemoglobin molecules in the physique which have sugar caught to them. And we don’t need sugar caught to something, actually. So glycated hemoglobin. And in order that’s expressed as a share. The usual ranges say that we would like our share to be lower than 5.7% glycated hemoglobin. That’s the regular vary. Something above that’s thought-about pre-diabetic. What we really most likely need optimally is between about 5 and 5.4% of glycated hemoglobin. That’s most likely the healthiest vary. And so, as a result of crimson blood cells stick round in the blood for about 90 to 120 days, this share really offers us a long-term snapshot of common glucose ranges over the course of 90 to 120 days. That’s fairly helpful. It doesn’t give us a lot of a way of what the fluctuations in glucose are day-to-day. That’s what a steady glucose monitor would let you know. But it surely offers you similar to a world sense of how a lot sugar has been sitting in my bloodstream. So, we would like that share to be decrease.

ApoB is the fourth check that we do. And it is a actually fascinating check. It’s a part of what we name a complicated ldl cholesterol marker. It’s not sometimes examined in customary observe. However everybody’s most likely acquainted with the idea of LDL ldl cholesterol, which typically we name dangerous ldl cholesterol. However there’s really, what we actually care about is how a lot ldl cholesterol is floating round the bloodstream that we all know can contribute to coronary heart illness or plaques or blockages in the blood vessels. And that’s really extra than simply LDL. To start with, there’s various kinds of LDL, some which are extra prone to promote coronary heart illness and blockages than others. After which there’s these different molecules like intermediate density LDL and VLDL, very low-density LDL. And so, there’s these completely different particles in the bloodstream that we simply don’t discuss in our customary ldl cholesterol panel. ApoB is definitely a protein that wraps round these ldl cholesterol particles when they’re floating by means of the bloodstream. And ApoB is the particular protein that occurs to be on all the coronary heart disease-promoting particles. So, it’ll be on IDL particles or LDL particles. And so, what it does is it principally offers you a extra full image of what number of particles in the bloodstream are atherogenic or principally pro-heart illness. And so, some medical doctors are favoring ApoB as a extra exact check of what number of of the true dangerous ldl cholesterol are in the bloodstream and possibly a greater sign than LDL. In order that’s why we included it on our panel versus simply LDL ldl cholesterol as a result of it’s extra all-encompassing for different forms of dangerous ldl cholesterol.

After which the final one is uric acid. Uric acid is a very fascinating check. We frequently hear of it in relation to gout, however it’s really a lot extra broadly related than simply for individuals who might or might not endure from gout. It’s really a vital cardiac and general metabolic marker. And uric acid will be raised in a number of completely different mechanisms. One is definitely a by-product of fructose metabolism. So, we’re consuming astronomically extra fructose as one in all our types of sugars in our food regimen now than we ever have been in historical past. Excessive fructose corn syrup was invented in the 1970s. And since then, individuals are consuming about 3000% extra fructose than we have been previous to the invention of excessive fructose corn syrup. So, we’ve simply had this astronomical rise in such a sugar in the physique, which is inflicting enormous burdening to our programs. And when fructose is damaged down by our cells, one in all the byproducts is uric acid. Uric acid can then go on to trigger issues in our cells by really damaging our mitochondria and promote cardiovascular issues by means of a number of completely different mechanisms. So uric acid is a sign of extra fructose in the bloodstream, which we all know is simply deeply metabolically damaging. It additionally will be elevated by what are referred to as purine-rich meals. And so, these embrace animal merchandise like meat, beer, and sure shellfish. And so, excesses in a few of these issues also can result in enhance in uric acid. After which alcohol typically can result in will increase in uric acid. However I’d say, typically talking, of the issues which are contributing to excessive uric acid in the common American, I’d say that the enormous consumption of fructose in the type of liquid sugars and sodas, power drinks, frappuccinos, processed meals, fructose is now actually in every single place. And in order that’s an enormous contributor to uric acid. In order that’s an indication on a lab check that the food regimen actually must be like thoughtfully cleaned up. And it’s one that may change quickly with changes in food regimen.

So these 5 checks collectively can provide us an actual sign of how issues are going metabolically in the physique. And I might say that, these are good to know like each 4 months or so, each quarter principally in the event you can, as a result of if you’re, to begin with, in the event you’re staying in the optimum vary for all of those checks, it’s an awesome signal that your cells are powered correctly and the food regimen that you simply’ve chosen and the life-style plan that you simply’re following is like working effectively. It’s an awesome confirmatory sign that no matter plan you’re on, it’s working. And that’s actually reassuring. I believe so many people are so confused about, am I consuming the proper food regimen? Ought to I be plant-based? Ought to I be carnivore? Ought to I be omnivorous? Like, ought to I do that plan? And it may be so overwhelming. And what I say is, simply check, like check your metabolic biomarkers. And in the event that they’re in an awesome and wholesome vary and you’re feeling good, you’ll be able to really feel assured that what you’re doing is working. And in the event that they aren’t in an optimum vary, then that’s an awesome place to begin to make some changes and then retest in a number of months. And in the event that they’re not transferring in the proper course, then you definately most likely want to alter your plan once more. Prefer it’s actually that straightforward. I’m at the level the place I refuse to argue about dietary dogma or this, as a result of everybody’s completely different. And actually you simply must know what’s happening in your individual physique and then make constant tweaks and comply with them over the course of some and do them for a number of months and then retest. And it’s actually so simple as, is it getting higher? Is it getting worse? Or is it staying the similar? And based mostly on that data, you may make extra tweaks. In order that’s why I believe testing like that is so precious. And you are able to do all these checks for $99 and have loads of actually useful details about the place you stand. So these are the 5 that I believe are actually, actually essential to know in each particular person.

Katie: And I like this as a result of I say typically on right here, at the finish of the day, we’re every our personal main healthcare supplier, and we will work with medical doctors and practitioners, however that duty nonetheless lies inside us. And I really feel like instruments like this assist us to have higher information and higher entry in making choices which are aligned in changing into our personal main healthcare supplier. And I believe, like I mentioned, this information is invaluable, and after all, could be very far reaching. Such as you defined with the labs, these aren’t simply single markers that let you know one factor. These are very far-ranging and can provide you perception into a number of issues occurring inside your physique. And I do know lots of our listeners are girls and mothers particularly. And I do know that one other space this could present up is in the hormone realm, that there will be an influence with metabolic dysfunction and hormone regulation. And positively, that might be relevant in occasions like being pregnant and postpartum, but in addition, for many individuals listening, the perimenopause and menopause age is an enormous space of shift. And as you talked about these biomarkers, I do know, as an illustration, that ladies’s heart problems danger rises after they undergo menopause and that lots of these shifts can result in different issues in the physique as effectively. So, I might love to talk for a minute to the hormone facet of that and how these markers come into play with fertility, with hormones, and how, after all, that pertains to how we glance and really feel as effectively.

Casey: Completely. Yeah, I believe that it’s so wonderful. You simply alluded to this reality about that heart problems goes up for ladies after menopause. And I believe that that is one other one in all the greatest blind spots in drugs. Coronary heart illness is the primary killer for ladies in the United States, and it’s a metabolic illness. You realize, girls are going to, after menopause, girls principally begin to outpace males on loads of the metabolic illnesses. In order that’s like weight problems, sort 2 diabetes, coronary heart illness, and Alzheimer’s dementia. And but, this isn’t a phrase or a subject that will get introduced up in these medical doctors’ appointments round menopause, and even in the 30s and 40s while you’re making ready for this time, when estrogen goes to drop, and that’s going to place you at a lot increased metabolic danger. And so, I’m simply so grateful for platforms like yours which are speaking about loads of these items as a result of we’re simply not getting it from the mainstream.

So, beginning, let’s say, in the 20s and 30s in the fertility dialog, it’s so unbelievable how a lot it’s linked to metabolic well being. The main reason behind infertility in the United States is polycystic ovarian syndrome. And polycystic ovarian syndrome, what we perceive is that it’s very a lot rooted in metabolic dysfunction. It really, the NIH in 2012 was going to alter the title of PCOS to multi-system, a multi-system metabolic endocrine dysfunction. They usually didn’t change it. And I believe it really would have been optimistic to alter the title as a result of not many individuals like polycystic ovarian syndrome, it’s exhausting to know what meaning. However, like actually calling it what it’s, which is sort of a metabolic hormonal dysfunction, like actually helps individuals determine like the place they should method. So, when insulin ranges are excessive in the physique, and we are going to discuss why it might be due to insulin resistance, that insulin really indicators a cell in the ovary referred to as the theca cells of the ovary to supply extra testosterone. So, like androgens and what we sometimes consider as male hormones. And so, when insulin stimulates the ovary to supply extra testosterone, that basically disturbs the delicate stability between testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, all the intercourse hormones which are so finely tuned. So, this, after all, impacts menstruation, it impacts ovulation, it impacts loads of different issues in the physique too, like selling pimples and midline weight problems and hair development, issues that you simply would possibly what’s referred to as hirsutism, which is basically masculinizing options and issues like that.

So, there’s all these items that trickle down from essentially hyperinsulinemia, excessive insulin ranges. So, there’s been some wonderful analysis that reveals that like 12-week interventions with girls which are largely centered on dietary and life-style interventions that target actually getting the insulin ranges down, so like actually top quality, low glycemic food regimen patterns over the course of 12 weeks, can completely remodel the hormone stability. You get the insulin down, you get the stimulation of the testosterone down, and loads of the different hormones fall into place, signs decline, durations turn into extra common. So, there’s loads of hope right here, and the reason behind the excessive insulin ranges in loads of these girls, it’s multifactorial. There appears to be a genetic element, there’s simply dwelling in America, it places us in an uphill battle from the life-style perspective due to the means that our meals tradition is, however it’s multifactorial, genetics, life-style, all these items, however no matter how a lot it’s weighted in direction of genetics or life-style or no matter, it nonetheless seems that these interventions centered on getting insulin ranges down actually, actually assist. In order that’s actually optimistic. However by some research, as much as 26% of girls globally of childbearing age are dealing with PCOS. So this isn’t a tiny difficulty.

After which, as you get in direction of these perimenopausal years, there’s actually fascinating analysis displaying that principally menopausal signs additionally correlate with metabolic dysfunction. So, menopausal signs like sizzling flashes at evening and sleep disturbances and loads of these items that basically influence high quality of life, temper. There’s been fairly a little bit of analysis displaying that these actually correlate in lockstep with diploma of primarily blood sugar dysregulation. So, whether or not that’s a trigger or impact, it’s not absolutely understood like the causality, however there appears to be a transparent development of the worse the menopausal signs are, the worse the metabolic well being is. And if we will preserve the blood sugar ranges down and preserve the metabolic well being in test, the concept could be that this might doubtlessly presumably in reality influence menopausal signs, though much more analysis must be completed with that. However, you realize, whether or not a blood sugar spike and crash can set off vasomotor signs like sizzling flash, like there’s some analysis to counsel that there is perhaps a hyperlink there.

So actually, any intervention centered on retaining blood sugar in a decrease and more healthy vary, retaining it extra steady, may very well be a possible adjunctive modality to maintain these signs extra in test. And Dr. Sara Gottfried wrote a tremendous guide referred to as Ladies, Meals, and Hormones that talks rather a lot about this and primarily the way to actually prep for menopause by changing into as metabolically wholesome as potential to hopefully ease a few of the signs that may be so tough.

Ladies after menopause, like we talked about earlier, form of go off a metabolic cliff. Estrogen tends to be protecting in relation to metabolic well being. And so, when that drops quickly, insulin resistance does go up. And so, I’m 36 now, and loads of how I take into consideration the subsequent 10, 15 years for me is considering the way to primarily get myself into the finest form potential earlier than going into that transition as a result of it doesn’t matter what, irrespective of who you’re, there’s going to be a success that occurs while you lose that estrogen. So meaning, ensuring my insulin sensitivity is admittedly good by means of food regimen, by means of life-style. It means resistance coaching now as a result of we lose that muscle mass principally yearly beginning in our mid-30s, muscle mass naturally goes down. And muscle is one in all our most protecting issues in opposition to principally metabolic dysfunction as a result of muscle is sort of a enormous blood sugar sink. It takes up and makes use of glucose, takes it out of the bloodstream. And so, it actually helps with insulin resistance. So, if there’s one factor I might say to girls listening who is perhaps heading into that, it’s like, to begin with, get a full understanding of your metabolic well being, hopefully by means of blood biomarkers, by means of your physician or by means of a lab outdoors of your physician, know the place you stand, be taught methods to get blood sugar underneath management, stabilize blood sugar, which we will actually discuss. I do know we talked about rather a lot in our first episode collectively. After which actually, begin constructing muscle so that you go into menopause with a very good armor on, that’s principally an enormous blood sugar-stabilizing armor. So, that’s one factor that I simply hear a lot with girls. They’re understanding 5 days per week, however they’re not really constructing that muscle. And I believe you’ll be able to actually give it some thought as like a defend to buffer a few of the results of the dropping of estrogen in menopause. One in every of the girls who’re, one in all the specialists who actually will get into this so deeply is Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, who simply got here out with a guide referred to as Ceaselessly Robust, all about the energy of muscle. And even one thing we haven’t realized till just lately is that muscle is definitely a hormone-secreting organ. So, muscle really secretes myokines, that are principally pro-metabolic anti-inflammatory hormones. And in order that’s only a actually highly effective software, resistance coaching, in direction of buffering out loads of this.

Katie: I’m an enormous fan of her work and her guide as effectively. I believe for ladies, particularly, it’s such an vital subject alongside with all the issues we’re speaking about actually as a result of such as you mentioned, these influence all of us, however particularly girls, we now have these different elements to think about, particularly at completely different phases of life and hormones. And I really feel like we’ve made such an unbelievable, you could have, an unbelievable and sturdy case for the significance of understanding this information and utilizing it in an actionable means. So, I’d like to take a while to see, I do know you could have an enormous dataset of what are the patterns you’re seeing of impactful modifications individuals could make, particularly as soon as they get this information and have entry to understanding what’s happening in their our bodies. Are there issues that appear typically and universally useful useful resource food regimen or life-style modifications that folks could make that may assist transfer issues in a optimistic course?

Casey: Undoubtedly. So, it’s humorous. I simply, I used to be telling you earlier than we began recording, like I simply completed my first guide, which isn’t popping out for a very long time, however I’m sitting right here after ending the guide and turning into my writer, and I’m like, it’s 380 pages, and there’s like hundreds of references. And I’m like, what, what’s the greatest takeaway from this guide about metabolism and blood sugar? And I actually assume one in all the greatest takeaways except for the apparent, which is, like, get the refined sugars and the ultra-processed grains out of the food regimen, which principally turns straight to glucose in the bloodstream and eat extra entire meals, like that one, form of a given. However the second one is like, strolling might be the strongest superpower that we now have for metabolic well being, and we simply don’t emphasize it sufficient. And that to me, prefer it’s simply studying all these papers, taking a look at all this analysis, taking a look at all our ranges information. We should be strolling a lot extra as a tradition. So now, the common American is strolling about 4,000 steps a day, which is about two miles. And while you have a look at like fashionable hunter-gatherer tribes, they’re strolling like 20,000 steps a day. So, like actually 5 occasions extra. And what’s fascinating is that strolling, despite the fact that it’s straightforward and it virtually looks as if, how might that be so highly effective? Mainly, the means I give it some thought is in the event you’re even strolling 10 ft, you’re activating virtually each main muscle group in your physique. You’re swinging your arms, you’re utilizing your legs, you’re utilizing the large muscle mass of your legs, and even utilizing them at that basically low depth, it’s inflicting all these pathways inside these muscle cells to turn into activated. And so, there’s all these cell signaling pathways that primarily convey glucose channels from the within the cell to the cell membrane if the muscle is activated in any respect. And so, somebody who sits for three-hour stretches, which is loads of us, I imply, like, and doesn’t actually stand up or ever use that muscle, their glucose channels are simply going to be sitting inside the cell inactive, and these cells will not be going to be taking over glucose. However in the event you stand up and stroll for one minute each hour, you’re bringing these glucose channels to the cell membrane to take up glucose and use it. So, somebody who’s transferring even for one minute, each 30 minutes, each hour, their physique all day is principally bringing these receptors to the membrane to convey glucose out of the bloodstream. Now evaluate that to somebody who sits for like three-, four-hour chunks, possibly will get as much as go to the make a lunch, will get as much as go to the rest room each few hours, however in any other case they’re simply sitting at their pc. That particular person, their cells simply aren’t getting primed to take up glucose. And in order that glucose goes to remain in the bloodstream, it’s going to be extra erratic. And let’s say that particular person even goes and does a exercise in the night after work. So, they’ve sat most all the day, and they work out for 35 minutes for an hour or no matter. That’s nice, however it doesn’t change the reality that in that complete remainder of the day, inside their cells, their glucose channels weren’t energetic. So, we actually must flip the script from this idea of like exercising is the reply to really common low-grade motion is a large a part of the reply. Trigger it creates a very completely different physiology in the physique all through the day.

So, just a little like psychological picture, I would like individuals to actually ingrain is that by setting an alarm in your iPhone each 30 minutes to stand up and do 5 air squats or to stroll round your residence or stroll round the perimeter of your home or stroll as soon as round the block. It’s not only for the sake of getting steps. It’s for the sake of actually giving your physique an brisk sign to alter the cell signaling pathway, to convey glucose receptors, glucose channels to the cell membrane and preserve your physique in this constitutively energetic state of metabolism and glucose uptake. Exercising for an hour at the finish of the day isn’t going to mitigate the results of sitting all day. And so, yeah, it’s simply each time you progress these muscle mass, it’s actually sending a unique sign to your physique. The analysis is fairly profound. Like in the event you, we speak rather a lot about 10,000 steps, however really, loads of the analysis I checked out for the guide, the actual magic quantity seems to be 8,000 steps, and 10,000 is nice, and you would possibly get some marginal profit, however someplace between the 8,000 to 12,000 steps is principally sufficient to scale back your danger of coronary heart illness, sort 2 diabetes, weight problems, stroke, despair by about 50%. So, if you may get a wearable and simply verify that you simply’re strolling a minimum of 8,000 steps a day, it’s principally equal to having the simplest remedy, like ever invented for any illness in phrases of prevention. Prefer it’s really a lot, way more efficient. We don’t have any drugs that cut back danger that a lot for these illnesses. So, it’s near a silver bullet.

One other idea, I really feel like I’ve been grappling with just a little bit is that, you realize, is the idea actually of train virtually like distracting us from transferring extra all through the day? We predict that the idea of train is this concept that you’ve got this factor in your to-do record, and it’s a must to test it out off each day, and that can make you more healthy. And sure, train is nice. However America spends extra on train than another nation in the world, and we’re amongst the heaviest and getting sicker. The common American family spends $2,000 a yr on well being and fitness-related bills, and that quantity goes up over time. We have now extra gyms per capita than any nation in the complete world, and we’re one in all the sickest and heaviest international locations in the world. So, there’s some disconnect between the quantity we’re spending on health, the quantity of gyms we now have, the quantity of “train” we’re working in direction of, and our precise outcomes. And I believe that disconnect is the incontrovertible fact that we’ve overemphasized this idea of train, and we’ve under-emphasized the idea of simply transferring your physique extra usually.

And while you have a look at like Dan Buettner’s work in the blue zones, this is sensible. The populations which have the most centenarians, the individuals who stay to 100, are the populations who motion is simply constructed in to their on a regular basis life. Whether or not it’s farming or strolling lengthy distances to get issues that they want for simply the each day dwelling. And so, this creates an enormous problem for us as a result of now, in America, loads of us are information employees. We work at computer systems. That’s simply the actuality. We’re not going to return and all turn into farmers, nor ought to we essentially. However what it does imply is we do need to get very inventive about our day-to-day lives as a result of simply because we’re information employees doesn’t imply that we will really cease transferring if we need to keep wholesome. This would possibly imply standing desk. This would possibly imply treadmill desk. This would possibly imply setting an alarm each 30 minutes in your telephone and doing these 5 pushups, 5 air squats, strolling round your home or residence. This would possibly imply having the default for all your calls be strolling conferences. It’d imply rescheduling your subsequent few dinner dates or espresso dates to be strolling or mountain climbing dates. It’s simply having to be actually daring and inventive to one way or the other construct motion into our day-to-day lives as computer-based information employees as a result of there’s actually no means of getting round it. We both transfer or we get sick. And in order that’s an extended reply to your query. However we actually have to start out getting extra inventive about marrying the fashionable world that we’re dwelling with, dwelling in with the actuality of our biology, which is that low-grade motion all through the day is totally essential and unavoidable if you wish to be optimally wholesome. In order that’s a movement-focused one.

We already talked about resistance coaching, which I believe is one other factor, particularly for ladies. It’s like gotta incorporate it. I’ve so many conversations with individuals, with Ranges members who say, “I’m caught, and I’m not getting the outcomes I would like, and I’m doing every part proper. I’m maintaining a healthy diet, I’m sleeping, I’m meditating, I’m understanding 5 days per week.” And invariably, I say, “Are you resistance coaching?” They usually say, “No.” In order that’s an enormous one. We bought to construct the muscle.

After which from the meals standpoint, I’d say, one in all the greatest sensible takeaways that I’ve seen from our Ranges information, and, at this level, we now have over 500 million glucose information factors. We’ve had many tens of hundreds of individuals undergo the program and log their meals. And one in all the greatest issues I’ve seen is that breakfast, primarily breakfast, could make or break somebody’s day metabolically. So, if there’s one meal you’re going to give attention to bettering for you and your children and your loved ones, it’s breakfast. And the cause I say it is because what we see in our dataset is that a few of the best possible scoring issues on our dataset are breakfast, and a few of the very worst, like worse than dessert scoring issues that we see in our dataset are breakfast. And I might assume that on each ends, individuals assume that they’re making wholesome decisions. And so, as an illustration, on the unhealthy finish the place we see the greatest glucose spikes, it’s issues like, it’ll be individuals consuming issues like granola or instantaneous oatmeal or a bit of entire grain toast. We all know that pastries, like donuts and bagels and muffins, that these are going to be unhealthy, and these are actually in the excessive glucose spike class. However a few of these extra seemingly benign meals like toast or oatmeal or some cereals that is perhaps low-fat or might sound wholesome like granola. A few of the greatest spikes we see in our dataset are these.

And so, then you definately’ve bought on the different facet, you’ve bought some breakfasts that don’t trigger nearly any glucose spikes. So, these are issues we see like eggs and avocado, eggs and greens, even eggs and bacon, or eggs and floor beef, frittata, chia pudding. We get lots of people who log what’s referred to as the fab for smoothie, which is the smoothie recipe that Kelly LeVeque, superstar nutritionist Kelly LeVeque, popularized. She’s one in all our advisors. And it’s wonderful to see how many individuals log that smoothie, however principally, it’s like a really well-balanced smoothie of protein, fats, fiber, and greens and very low glycemic. That scores rather well. So, I believe the takeaway for me is that, primarily like, eliminating these meals which have the refined grains or any processed grains in them, cereals, toast, bagels, clearly pastries, muffins, croissants, issues like that. Simply these have a tendency to simply actually, actually crush individuals. Stick with the protein and fat-forward, fiber-forward breakfast. As a result of while you begin your day with a extra steady glucose, what we see is that folks are inclined to preserve the glucose extra steady all through the remainder of the day. And a part of this is because of the incontrovertible fact that if in case you have an enormous glucose spike first in the morning, typically what is going to occur is that you simply spike and then you definately crash. And while you crash, that’s typically when individuals mid-morning really feel drained and like they want one other cup of espresso and they may really feel cravings, they want just a little snack, would possibly even really feel some nervousness. That’s what occurs when you could have a glucose crash, and these crashes occur sometimes after a spike. You don’t have a crash after you could have like a low, if in case you have a low glucose elevation after a meal, you normally gained’t crash, it’ll simply be extra steady. However an enormous spike normally get an enormous crash. That crash is named reactive hypoglycemia. And there was a very fascinating paper really in Nature Metabolism final yr, like premier medical journal, that confirmed that the extent of these post-meal crashes, reactive hypoglycemia was predictive of what number of carbohydrates individuals would eat in that complete day and how hungry they might be that day. So principally, you spike your self and crash your self, you’re going to be craving extra carbs that day, you’re going to most likely eat extra energy over the following 24-hour durations. So, in the event you can stabilize your glucose for breakfast, you’re setting your self up for like a 24 hours of success and much less craving. So yeah, simply actually getting the refined grain breakfasts out of the rotation, I believe, is one in all the very best issues you are able to do to start out your morning sturdy, preserve your power steady, and cut back your cravings all through the remainder of the day.

Katie: These are such superior ideas. I used to be taking notes as you have been talking, and I do know that by means of Ranges, you guys have a selected supply to assist individuals be capable to take all that information under consideration as effectively. In order that will likely be linked in the present notes for you guys listening on the go, that’s, [email protected].

And I really feel like we by no means have sufficient time once we get to speak since you’re such a wealth of data, and we might chat all day lengthy. So maybe we will do one other spherical typically as effectively. However this has been so useful and so actionable. And I like how deep and particular you bought to go on all these completely different subjects that I believe actually will be impactful for everybody listening. So, Casey, thanks a lot on your time. This has been such a pleasure, and I’m so grateful that you simply have been right here.

Casey: Oh, it’s completely my pleasure. And as we have been chatting, I spotted that for a few of the biomarkers, I gave optimum ranges, and for some, I didn’t. So, I’ll be sure that to ship you the record of all the optimum ranges for all the checks that I discussed. And possibly these will be in the present notes, however like uric acid and whatnot and all these. So, need to be sure that individuals have these, however I’ll comply with up with all of these for you.

Katie: That sounds excellent. And I’ll be sure that in addition to hyperlinks too. I do know you guys have an amazing quantity of instructional materials on all of this for individuals to continue to learn and that you simply launch loads of content material round it as effectively. So, all of these hyperlinks will likely be in the present notes, however I’m deeply grateful on your time. Thanks a lot for being right here as we speak.

Casey: Thanks, Katie.

Katie: And thanks as all the time to you for listening and sharing your most dear assets, your time, your power, and your consideration with us as we speak. We’re each so grateful that you simply did, and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the subsequent episode of the The Wellness Mama Podcast.

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